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Sgt. Groptoph,
Ogre ,
Male,
Sergeant in the Orc Imperial Army

Ms. Gunkatuk,
Half-Orc (half-human),
Female,
R.N. at Goblinville Medical Center

Ms. Shaftfut
Hobgoblin , Female, Cartographer

#7) Ask Da Orcs

Dear "Ask Da Orcs" -
     I'm a 22 year old human female who is definitely not a virgin. I have a new boyfriend who lost his virginity to me, but I did not know that he was a virgin until afterwards. Upon learning of his inexperience, I decided it was time to slow things down before our relationship went straight into the crapper. He's a 25 year old Catholic, and the fact he came to that age as a virgin with the kind of personality he has (super hot, incredibly strong in character and faith) and knowing that a lot of girls have probably tried barking up that delightfully entertaining tree with no luck, makes me feel all sweet and lovey inside.
     I'm thinking it's time to do something about it all. How do I go about saying "no" without rejecting him? And yes, he does feel rejected-not an act, he's too inexperienced to play like that. I know, I know - it should be as easy as "Nope, don't think so." but every time I start the conversation the bugger figures out some ultra logical explanation why we shouldn't start taking things a little slower that I haven't a snowballs chance in debunking. My only defense has been something like: "Nope. I can't go into that room and have wild monkey sex with you because I need to watch some paint dry to ensure quality coverage. Didn't you know? Mind-numbing stuff like that turns me on Bay-Beeee." Ranting like that makes me feel dumb.
    I'm still holding out, but my defenses are weakening. Please help!

Thanks for your time,
- Willing and Running in Los Angeles

After receiving the above email we wrote back to "Willing and Running" and asked a few questions. (Some of the Orcs wanted to clarify a few things before giving their advice.) Below are the questions she was asked - followed by her answers.

1) How long had you two been dating before having sex?
1- We had been dating about a month and a half before we first had sex. Not normally how I go about things (Before him it had been about two years for me. Had bf's in that two years but never went so far as that during that time.)

2) What was the sexual experience like? Please provide details
2- The experience was amazing. I'm not inexperienced and I definitely know what I like and what I don't like, and I have been told I'm very hard to please. If he wasn't such an upstanding guy I would have laughed when he said he was a virgin, but he was so sincere and from what I know of him now I'm glad I didn't voice my doubt.

3) Would you have had sex with him if you had know he was a virgin?
3- No I wouldn't have had sex with him if I had known.

4) How long has it been since you had sex with him?
4-It's been about two weeks now.

5) Has too much sex or sex too soon been the cause of failed relationships for you in the
past? Provide details, please.

5- In some respects yes, this has tanked a few relationships for me in the past. It wasn't too much sex but too little. It's not like I'm miss purity but it's a real turn off to feel rushed or pressured - that can make things run cold for me in a matter of seconds. Sex too soon has ruined one relationship for me. It was a very long time ago, but it definitely left it's impression. It didn't amount to much, and it didn't last long. As a result I don't ever want to feel like that's all a relationship is about again. It made me feel pretty dang cheap, and he didn't feel all that great either. If I'm dating someone it's not because I'm interested in a one night stand or a booty call- I want to take the time to get to know them. The experience really shaped my thoughts on that.

6) Why does his lack of experience intimidate you so much? Are you feeling guilty for some religious reason? Do you feel unworthy of his affection? Are you afraid of not living up to his sexual expectations?
6-It's not so much that I feel intimidated, it's that I feel like I've really taken advantage of someone special. If I had just known he was a virgin, I would have stepped back and just let things take a cooler path. Everything escalated so quickly, but I wanted him and he wanted me... there was a choice made on my part, I didn't lose control or anything, but I definitely wanted what happened. I thought he was experienced too, and was just going through a self imposed dry spell like me for his own reasons. The way he touched me said "I know what I'm doing". Granted he fumbled a bit but so did I, it had been a while for me. I had no idea he was a virgin and I didn't find out until my casual way of speaking to him about it afterwards hurt him so deeply it became obvious he had never gone so far with anyone. I remember I asked him if we could take thing slow now, that I had enjoyed that and wanted to do it again but I really thought we should know each other better. I told him it was out of my system now, and laughed about my degree of lust after holding out for so long. I turned to him then ( I had been talking to the ceiling- we were laying side by side) and was shocked to see him quite nearly in tears. He's not the kind of man who gets emotional which made things that much more alarming. I realized I had missed something huge so I asked "Have you ever"- that's as far as I got. He cut me off with a brisk "No, I was a virgin until now, and you don't even realize the gift I just gave you."
    Religion does enter into things in a big way. He's a devote Catholic. I was raised by two families- my mother is also Catholic (she's Spanish Mexican) and my father is Buddhist (Japanese) so though I call myself Catholic my views are much different then others. Sex is still something I was raised to believe should be held for marriage but I never followed that myself. When I found out he had been a virgin- 25 years old and with a body like that, wow- it brought the serious of the matter crashing down on me. He just gave up a part of himself he was originally saving for God, and like a Jerk I downplayed the entire experience in just a few sentences.

7) What sort of future would you like to have with him?
7-I'd like to spend the rest of my life with a man like that. I can't say yet whether he's "The One" but I know he's the kind of decent, hardworking, devoted man I've been waiting for. I want things to go as far as they need to in order to answer that question for me. I'm assuming it will take a few years to really make an informed decision about him, whether or not I feel it could go to that kind of level. Things are great at the moment as far as where we stand. He's asked me about how I feel about marriage but didn't come across as prodding for answers to his own questions. If he were to ask if I would marry him now I'd run (though regrettably) in the other direction. All in all it's been wonderful- besides the pressure for more sex. That sucks. Hardcore. Normally that kind of behavior would be enough to answer that question: I'd want us to go as far as I needed to in order to get to the nearest exit, but I care so deeply for him I'm caught between trying to be smart about our relationship (and not ending up like the one that went from great friend to booty call in the span of a month...yikes) and doing what he wants me to do.

8) How do the two of you express your mutual affection now? Do you hold hands? Kiss? Give
each other back rubs? Fondle? Have oral sex? Dry hump? Etc... Please provide details.

8- we express our feelings for one another in a lot of different ways. Dry humping sounds and feels a little silly, but we do hold hands whenever we're together. He likes to kiss my forehead and I love to caress his face whenever we're talking. I'm not exactly petting him mind you but I do trace the side of his face or hold my hand to the side of his jaw every now and again. I massage his neck and upper shoulders quite often (he works like a mad dog in a warehouse at nights. Makes good money but it does take a toll on him) but I haven't allowed him to rub my back completely just as of yet. (my Ex-husband was scary abusive, and though I've worked through most everything that came of that I still have trouble with people touching my back or seeing me naked....as you can guess that last one usually isn't an issue) We kiss all the time when we're alone. I like public affection but you hit a point where it's obvious you'll barely make it to the back seat of some random car, and the prospects of that bothers us both. On oral - I've never allowed him to on me (another issue I don't care to address. Apologies) but I have and do enjoy doing so to him. At the moment I obviously am against that- it's not nice to give something like that and not carry through. There have been times where I just can't keep my hands off him, and same for him, but so far it's just been very light petting (more like a quick tease) before we pull back. He knows I'm more than hesitant, and he also knows I'm not exactly going to give it up on his living room floor. He currently shares floor space with his nephews. He makes enough to move out and support himself but his family is struggling, and he won't leave them (thus take his support elsewhere) until things are better for them.

9) If you have not learned of his inexperience - would you be having sex with him now? If so - how often?
9- Heck yeah! It's been a long time, and I truly do feel like I love him quite a bit. I've never been the type that needed to be plugged on a daily basis but weekend fun is always...well....fun. If he hadn't of told me I probably would still be making an effort to slow things down, but it wouldn't be such a huge and complex issue.

10) How many sex partners have you had before him?
10- I've had 11 partners, including him.

11) When do you think is the appropriate time for a man like him to loose his virginity?
11-I believe an appropriate time for a man like him to lose his virginity is whenever his morality tells him it's time. I believe if a man has held onto that part of himself for so long he should continue to guard that gift until he decided- without lust playing into the equation at that particular moment, it was time to experience the act of sharing your body with another human being. It should be for love and devotion, not for fun (although obviously it should be a pretty fun experience)..

12) When was your first sexual experience? Did it happen too soon? What was it like? Please provide details.
12- Yes, my first sexual experience was way too soon. I was 14 and an idiot. A grown man who knew my crazy sister started to show an inappropriate interest in me, and I was flattered that an adult was taking the time to court me. It didn't occur to me that perhaps he was a filthy bastard, or that is was wrong. I knew I probably shouldn't be speaking to him, but I was so young I trusted him just because he was an adult. Wow I was sheltered. All in all it was a pleasant experience, but it never should have happened.

13) How did you meet your boyfriend?
13- I met him through a mutual friend. A sales rep from the company he works for befriended me while we worked together on a quote for the company I represented at that moment (sounds impressive huh? Not even close- I was the Receptionist and had to order everything for my company. She was a rep for a discounted office supply distributor) She
was concerned I was too involved in work and raising my son for my age and started to play match maker. She knew he was an outstanding individual, and I'm a nice girl so in her words "It was obvious kids!"

14) What sort of things does he do that turns you on?
14- Wow. Okay well, I've been very open up to this point so I might as well just bite the bullet.
There are a lot of things he does. Since we see each other pretty late at night (after his work, around 3am) and we have to make an effort to not wake the family we end up whispering to one another quite often. Just being that close to him, with his arms around me and hands clasped- well that's a really nice thing to feel. Sometimes mid-sentence he'll drop his lips down to the base of my neck and lightly kiss me, or he'll nibble softly on my ear. He doesn't do that last one too often ( I normally jump and blush so deeply he can't get me to look him in the face until a few minutes afterwards) but when he does it always catches my attention. Every now and again he'll come up behind me and put his hands on the same spots on my hips he holds while we're...ummm... having relations? Man I feel dumb saying that, when are we- 1950? Gee golly garsh sir I'm not sure my mother would approve of such language.


Thus concludes part two of Willing and Running's Q and A, Orc style.
Let me know if there's any other question you have, and thank you for taking this seriously.
- Willing and Running in Los Angeles

2) Response from Sgt. Groptoph:

Do dat "wild monkey sex" ting wit him! AAAAaaaarrrrRRRGGGHH!!! Den smash up da furniture! Dat makes men hot! Den hump him again! AAAAAaaaaaaaaarrrrrRRGGHHHHH!!!!

3) Response from Gunkatuk:

Dear "Willing and Running" -
      Ask him if he would like to go to couples counseling with you. He obviously likes you. Explain to him why you feel uncomfortable and why you would like to take it slow. Perhaps show him a copy of the email you wrote to us?
- Gunkatuk

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Online Journalist for
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4) Response from Prof. Pizpoploop:

Dear "Willing and Running in Los Angeles":
      As important as good sex is to a healthy relationship - good communication is far more critical! You need to share everything you have told us with your boyfriend! Don't assume he already knows all this stuff; I guarantee there will be something he does not know. I highly recommend that you show him this page! Sit next to him and make sure he reads every single word! Answer whatever questions he asks of you and don't hesitate to ask some of your own. Talk about what you wrote. Also talk about the things you left out. Most of all, let him know that you LOVE him. (Again - Don't assume he already knows.) Let him also know that, someday, you might want him to move in with you. Have him read this page and then talk about it! Then, after that, feel free to ignore the inane dribble that spews forth from the other A.D.O. panel members.... Because, to be frank, you will get no better advice than what I've just given to you.
     Sincerely,
Prof. Pizpoploop
 

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5) Response from Mr. Gob'Wuxbux

Dear W&R -
     Obviously your boy friend got a taste of something he likes! Is it such a shock that he wants more?!?  
     When we asked you "When do you think is the appropriate time for a man like him to loose his virginity?"
(see #11 above). Your response was (in part) "...whenever his morality tells him it's time...."
     Well, perhaps
his "morality" did tell him it was time. Perhaps, when the time came, your boyfriend turned to his "morality" and asked it "Can I Pleeeeeeeeese have sex with her? She is a wonderful woman and I love her! Plus she is smoking hot! So - please, please, please - can I have sex with her?" Then your boyfriend's "morality" looked back at him and said "Well... OK... Just make sure you do a good job and clean up after yourself.".... Then your boyfriend said "Woooooppppiiiieeeeee!!! Thank's 'morality' - your the best!" Then he porked your brains out. And from what I read - he did a good job of it!
- Gob'Wuxbux

Gix,
Gremlin,
Hermaphrodite, 
Freelance Artist

1) Response from Gix:

Gix (the three word Gremlin) says...

Ask... For... Anal...

Prof. Pizpoploop
Ridgeling,

Male,  
Alchemy professor at New Ork University

UPDATE:

After publishing our advice, we wrote back to "Willing and Running" to ask her what she thought of the advice and weather or not she had shown it to her boyfriend. Her response was as follows:

Hey there,
Yeah I did end up showing the website to him. It all went well, and other than the fact that it was all slightly embarrassing to have our personal relationship all over the web he took it like a champ. Haven't really started chatting too deeply on the subject just as of yet but I'm sure we'll get to lip flapping in just a bit. The orcs had some really good advice. Had some sex, broke some furniture.....lol, okay seriously yeah the advice was great. Again I didn't expect to have you guys take me seriously- I mean who asks a bunch of orcs about sex anyhoo? All in all the experience was great fun. I'm glad I wrote to you and it sounds like you guys had a good time dealing with something like this yourselves. My boyfriend said it's interesting other lifeforms have such interesting insights - he thought you guys rocked and had a good natured laugh at my expense.... we both did at the end. I just moved so I'll probably won't be seeing as much of him as I'd like (already wasn't seeing him enough...ugh) but at least this issue is resolved. We've got a few other things to address but I think it's safe to say crisis averted thanks to the inspiring (and insanely entertaining) words of our friends the Orcs.
Thanks again, and I'll be keeping in touch to make sure you guys are updated.
- Andrea

We wrote back:
"That's good news!
We have a question about the part where you wrote: "Had some sex, broke some
furniture.....lol, okay seriously yeah the advice was great."

Does that mean you and your boyfriend had sex? Or were you just joking."

She Wrote:
"Yes, we had wild monkey sex into the wee hours of the night....actually the next night. Didn't break any furniture though although it's not like we didn't try. Found new levels of fatigue and dehydration... very fun levels... Yup. We had sex. Lots of sex. Sex sex sex. The bf wants to know if condoms come in packs any larger than 12. Please don't answer him for my sake, I like being able to walk. Actually you could say I'd much prefer walking to moaning around begging for nourishment.
I'd like to know if icing for long periods of time is the best way to combat muscle seizure.
Thanks again,
- Andrea

You?

6) Response from Ms. Shaftfut

Dear Willing and Running:
      
Firstly... Most men I know treat women like shit and will fuck any hot box they come across. You have a decent, devoted and gainfully employed man who is "super hot" and makes you "feel all sweet and lovey inside". He sounds exactly like the type of man you SHOULD be having sex with! So what's the problem? Are you worried that if you have sex with him, he might leave? If that's it, then I recommend having "wild monkey sex" with him every day for the next month and then see what happens. I'll bet you a bag of gold coins, and my extensive collection of bondage equipment, that he will still be around at the end of the month - you lucky bitch!        
       Secondly ...
I've taken the liberty of "cliff-noting" the more important things you wrote in response to our questions (below) and have added notes (in black) to let you know what I think.

3) Would you have had sex with him if you had know he was a virgin?
3- No I wouldn't....

2) What was the sexual experience like?
2- The experience was amazing....

9) If you have not learned of his inexperience - would you be having sex with him now?
9- Heck yeah! It's been a long time, and I truly do feel like I love him quite a bit...

Thanks to your answers to #3, #2 and #9 - we know that your reluctance to have sex with your boyfriend has nothing to do with his performance, how much you love him or anything else like that. It's all about him being a virgin and how that intimidates YOU... that brings us to #6:

6) Why does his lack of experience intimidate you so much?
6-It's not so much that I feel intimidated, it's that I feel like I've really taken advantage of someone special. .... I wanted him and he wanted me... there was a choice made on my part, I didn't lose control or anything, but I definitely wanted what happened. I thought he was experienced too... The way he touched me said "I know what I'm doing"....

You did not "take advantage" of him. He was (and still is) a consenting adult! Do you think you are some kind of magical succubus who can lure a good man to sin and force him to turn his back on what he thinks is right? LOL! Get over yourself! He had sex with you because he CHOSE to have sex with an attractive woman whom he loves - you. (Don't believe me? Then ASK him!)

...I told him (after the sex) that it was out of my system now, and laughed about my degree of lust after holding out for so long. I turned to him and was shocked to see him quite nearly in tears... ...I asked "Have you ever"- He cut me off with a brisk "No, I was a virgin until now, and you don't even realize the gift I just gave you."... ...When I found out he had been a virgin - it brought the seriousness of the matter crashing down on me. He just gave up a part of himself he was originally saving for God, and like a Jerk I downplayed the entire experience in just a few sentences.

What!?! He was NOT saving himself for "God". When was he ever going to have sex with GOD!?!?! He was saving himself for an attractive woman whom he would love above all others. He was saving himself for someone like YOU. Not "God"! (Again - if you don't believe me? Then ASK him!)

12) When was your first sexual experience?
12- My first sexual experience was way too soon. I was 14 and an idiot. A grown man... started to show an inappropriate interest in me, and I was flattered that an adult was taking the time to court me. It didn't occur to me... ....that it was wrong. All in all it was a pleasant experience, but it never should have happened.

Something tells me that this might be (at least partly) the root of your problem. So it's worth pointing out that your boyfriend is NOT a 14 year old kid who can't tell right from wrong. He is a 25 year old MAN! He knows who he is, what he wants to do and with whom he wants to do it with. (Again - if you don't believe me? Then fucking ASK him!)

7) What sort of future would you like to have with him?
7-I'd like to spend the rest of my life with a man like that. I can't say yet whether he's "The One" but I know he's the kind of decent, hardworking, devoted man I've been waiting for.

OH MY FUCKING GOD!!! If you don't start fucking this guy soon - I swear I'll find where he lives and start fucking him myself!

- Shaftfut

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